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ENGINE SWAP !

Postby MattyDowell » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:43 pm

Hi everyone,

I was thinking of turning my Moggy Traveller into something more reliable by putting a 2.0 zetec into her. I was wondering if anyone can give me info on whether the same axle could be used and what suspension set up would be best. I was also wondering if i do need to change the axle and diff, what propshaft should be used !

I am very interested to see what set up everyone has and what opinions you have to share.

Thank you !

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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby The vast minority » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:53 pm

MattyDowell wrote:Hi everyone,

I was thinking of turning my Moggy Traveller into something more reliable by putting a 2.0 zetec into her. I was wondering if anyone can give me info on whether the same axle could be used and what suspension set up would be best. I was also wondering if i do need to change the axle and diff, what propshaft should be used !

I am very interested to see what set up everyone has and what opinions you have to share.

Thank you !

Matty


Put simply, no.... a moggy axle was just about capable or handling the 1098 if treated with gusto. Even 1275's can kill them off the lights if well equipped.

Forget standard set ups and big engines
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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby 2fry » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:54 pm

Hi Matty.

A ztec convertion would involve an upgrade to nearly all of the running gear,drive train and brakes and a fair bit of fabrication.

Any combination can be done....it's just how deep are your pockets...

Have a look at other peoples threads....everything is there from mild to wild...

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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby MattyDowell » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:09 pm

I dont mind the effort that has to go into doing this, my main concern was finding an axle and running gear to fit. The more experience the better. :D
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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby The vast minority » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:34 pm

MattyDowell wrote:I dont mind the effort that has to go into doing this, my main concern was finding an axle and running gear to fit. The more experience the better. :D


Poptastic, :D
as G says, lots of info here, take a good look through the site and ask as many questions as you like of the guys that have the knowledge.
The only silly question here is the one you don't ask. ;)
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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby 2fry » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:35 pm

In my experience i'd build it around the wheels and stance that you are looking for...(ie.Sleeper/hotrod)
Finding an axle is the hardest part(maybe not so much if you throw plenty of money at it)
And that axle will have to handle the power you want to put through it.
Ford is the main choice....(final ratio is important depending on petrol or diesel)
The ford stud patteren is 108mm...that could always be redrilled at extra expence.
Rear wheel drive gearboxes are getting more and more expencive every day....again Ford(type 9) is the most commen.

Brakes can be an off the shelf item or can be home built to save some cash..(plenty of options on that one).
Suspention again can be home built.....(can of worms there.)

If you can fabricate your own mounts,crossmembers and body mods you will save a fortune...

Electrical and plumbing will have to be done to whatever engine you choose...

About every combination has been done.....but your at the right place for friendly advice.

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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby MattyDowell » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:46 pm

Thanks for all the info and support you guys are giving me i really do appreciate it ! im an apprentice at a classic car shop and hopefully am continuing this as a career, so all the information i can get and experience is fantastic and i know im in the right place to get these :D
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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby 58 MOGGY » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:16 am

There are various widths of english axle,i believe they are (measuring from half shaft faces)
Escort 53"
Mk1 cortina 52"
100e 50"
Anglia 48"(believe the anglia van to be bit wider)
I used mk1 cortina as i seem to remember about 1" shorter than standard moggy
I do know some guys with shed fulls of these axles but really need there arm twisting to sell them,look them up they have company called Old ford auto services,they have web site,good luck :lol:
http://www.oldfordautos.co.uk
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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby MattyDowell » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:56 pm

Thanks so much guys going to go and research and find out what is best and come up with a plan !

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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby geezer » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:20 pm

Give an Englishman a car and he'll make it leak
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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby Griffo » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:11 pm

I installed a Zetec engine into my Moggy several years ago and fitted a mk2 escort axle, Type 9 gearbox and converted the front to escort disc brakes so that the stud pattern is common front and rear. I notice you live in Wales and I live in Cheshire so you are welcome to view my car and take notes if you wish.
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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby philthehill » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:38 am

The problem with the Minor rear axle is the half-shafts.
Upgrade the half-shafts, fit traction bars and you will have very few problems with regard to the rear axle.
I do not know what bhp you are expecting from the Zetec but my uprated Minor axle (that is toughened half-shafts and traction bars) has coped very nicely with an excess of 135bhp at the flywheel with 7" wide very sticky low profile slicks and lots of full power standing starts.
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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby plastic orange » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:53 pm

Diffs are quite fragile too unfortunately, best upgrade to a Ford or similar rear if serious horsepower is required.

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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby philthehill » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:49 am

Whilst I agree that the Minor diff is possibly not as strong as the Ford 1600cc and above axle it is not that fragile. The later diffs assys fitted with the BTA carriers are much stronger than those fitted with the ATA carrier.
The only weakness I have found with the earlier ATA diff assy is that the sun and planet carrier pin/and the sun and planet gears can in extreme cases disintegrate.
Car and Car Conversions magazine published a fully comprehensive article (late 1970s) by Jeff Mann titled 'At The Rear' on Ford rear axles with all necessary details and part numbers.
I have an extracted copy but unfortunately did not put a date on it
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Re: ENGINE SWAP !

Postby BrianHawley » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:50 pm

I've got a mildly modified 1275 on a back axle that has only toughened half shafts and vertical shocks.

I'm not particularly gentle with it and haven't busted anything yet.
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